[Mugenshi]: Greetings Accelerator! This is GM Mugenshi.  Do you have a moment to speak about your petition? You may reply by either using Shift+R or /tell Mugenshi 
To [Mugenshi]: Greetings i certainly do, i have been awaiting your response eagerly :)
[Mugenshi]: Please explain your point of view.
To [Mugenshi]: As you allready understood, this petition is regarding "Morphowolf" harrasing players
To [Mugenshi]: I assume you allready heard the story from Larosa and seen his chatlogs?
[Mugenshi]: Yes
To [Mugenshi]: In these chatlogs was clearly shown that morphowolf did not have the intent to "farm perennium parts"
To [Mugenshi]: we both know hecklers can be found everywhere in shadowlands
To [Mugenshi]: After the alt from Morphowolf got kicked from the kite team he was in
To [Mugenshi]: he relogged to his main to take revenge on the team who kicked him out
To [Mugenshi]: his revenge was simple "If he couldnt get XP, no1 from that team would be able to get XP"
To [Mugenshi]: he followed the person who pulled the hecklers for the NT, and killed every heckler that was pulled
To [Mugenshi]: and he continued this nonstop so the kite team would get no mobs.
[Mugenshi]: But we both know that there's heckers everywhere in shadowlands.
To [Mugenshi]: The hecklers are grey to morphowolf, this means he will not get any experience from them
To [Mugenshi]: yes hecklers are everywhere in shadowlands, but kite teams are limited to elysium hecklers, and certain spots to do there kiting actions from
To [Mugenshi]: if morphowolf wanted perennium parts, he would not say that he would tell the "gm" who contacted him that he was just "farming parts"
[Mugenshi]: But who's to say that you have to kite in an area that's good for kiting.
To [Mugenshi]: he was killing hecklers with the intend to ruin the gameplay experience from an entire team. He knew that he would get petitioned for this Harrasment, and yes it is officially harrasment, Means has stated this on the forums a while back
To [Mugenshi]: its what the player community does since the opening of shadowlands, please take in mind that Morphowolf was a member of the team before he started to ruin there xp
To [Mugenshi]: he acted against the team cause they kicked him out and replaced him for a bureaucrat.
To [Mugenshi]: Also Morpho was well aware of his actions, and knew he would get petitioned for harrasment, Using the argument that he was farming parts for perenniums, was a simple excuse from him to "legalize" his harrasment actions
To [Mugenshi]: also you know that he has been petitioned for it several times
To [Mugenshi]: and no action was taken against him, he kept continueing to harras the entire team
[Mugenshi]: So should I then suspend the leader of the team for ruining his gameplay?
To [Mugenshi]: no, cause there is nothing forbidden about kicking someone from the team, the button is there for a purpose
To [Mugenshi]: and kicking someone from the team has a valid reason
To [Mugenshi]: but ruining the gameplay for everyone else out of revenge is a harrasing act
[Mugenshi]: Gameplay?
To [Mugenshi]: or are you trying to explain me that it is perfectly to you, that if you would get kicked from a team. That you follow the team around and killsteal every mob they fight, just cause you cant accept the fact they removed you from there team for what reason that might be
[Mugenshi]: Kill stealing?
To [Mugenshi]: yes, i know there is no statement in the games EULA that killstealing is forbidden
To [Mugenshi]: but if you followed the forums, you know that means stated clearly: that killing mobs from other players with the intend to ruin there gameplay is seen as a harrasing act and a >bannable< offense
To [Mugenshi]: and this is exactly what morphowolf did, he got mad cause they kicked him from the team, and he relogged to his main, that gained no benefit from killing the mobs, he kept following the team, and ruined every mob they would fight, to prevent the team from playing the game
To [Mugenshi]: that is exactly the thing Means stated in that post.
To [Mugenshi]: this kind of behaviour has happened in the past, and people recieved warnings for that behaviour and even bans
To [Mugenshi]: this is why i am so surprised that morphowolf did not recieve a single warning and was allowed to do, what everyone else would get warned/temporary banned for
[Mugenshi]: But there's was no effort on your team's side to avoid the situation.
To [Mugenshi]: (inbetween these messages, i would like to apoligies for the behaviour of Larosa, he is very frustrated that with the clear evidence he showed, it got totally ignored/misseen)
[Mugenshi]: You stayed at the same spot
To [Mugenshi]: yes, the team was in 1 spot, cause its called a kiteteam
[Mugenshi]: You say there's hecklers all over shadowlands.
To [Mugenshi]: and i also said
To [Mugenshi]: that kiteteams are DEPENDING on only a few locations inside shadowlands
To [Mugenshi]: you know the definition of a kite team right?
[Mugenshi]: Yes.
[Mugenshi]: You stayed at the same spot.
[Mugenshi]: You didn't move.
To [Mugenshi]: then you understand there is no such thing as just moving away to another kitespot, cause currently there are only 3 kitespots around, 1 at the coast of peace, and 2 on the kite hill
To [Mugenshi]: the kiteteam is not supposed to go away
[Mugenshi]: One spot.
To [Mugenshi]: yes give me 1 moment to explain this
To [Mugenshi]: the kiteteam always sits at one spot, waiting for the hecklers to respawn so the nanotechnician can do another pull and kite. It is completely ridiculous, that an entire team should move away cause 1 person is mad at them and decides to ruin there entire game
To [Mugenshi]: its not the entire team that should be "punished" by moving away from the thing they are doing, its the 1 person who acts like a (insertsomethingwithdouchehere) that should get a warning
To [Mugenshi]: that one person knows the team is fighting there
To [Mugenshi]: and that person should be able to respect that and let them do there thing in peace
To [Mugenshi]: it is not normal that 1 person can make an entire group of people move, cause he likes to kill everything they fight so they dont get XP
To [Mugenshi]: or does that sounds like a normal thing to you? would you move away from a location where you have been for hours, cause 1 person is frustrated and decides to ruin it for the entire team by killing everything he see's
To [Mugenshi]: let me answer it for you to: its not a normal thing
To [Mugenshi]: its not normal that 1 person can affect the gameplay of 6 people by destroying what they work for
[Mugenshi]: What did you work for?
To [Mugenshi]: place it in a reallife situation, would you make an entire football team leave the field, cause 1 supporter throws a can of beer at them?
To [Mugenshi]: please state what you mean with "where i work for" :)
To [Mugenshi]: ah never mind isee what you mean :)
To [Mugenshi]: what they work for, is levels, XP, killing mobs, working together as a team, organizing  a system that they can gain XP in the most efficient way
[Mugenshi]: But there's hecklers everywhere in shadowlands.
To [Mugenshi]: yes and once again, as a kiteteam you cant get hecklers everywhere in shadowlands
To [Mugenshi]: and also you know if there are hecklers everywhere in shadowlands
[Mugenshi]: There was not any other teams out there.
To [Mugenshi]: then WHY did  morphowolf only pick there location to kill the hecklers?
To [Mugenshi]: and why did he only kill the hecklers that the team was fighting?
To [Mugenshi]: he had the intend to kill every mob that there team attacked
To [Mugenshi]: he could kill hecklers everywhere across shadowlands, but he only went for the ones that there team was fighting
To [Mugenshi]: do you see what my point is? he was doing this with the intend to ruin the fun for the entire team
To [Mugenshi]: not for the monsterparts/perenniumparts, he did not even loot them, he left them all in the corpses
[Mugenshi]: I also was there and he was killing mobs on his own.
To [Mugenshi]: he was killing mobs on his own cause he was aware that he got petitioned, he was aware that a gm or ark would be keeping an eye on him for a while to check his behaviour
To [Mugenshi]: do you expect someone to continue harrasing the team as long as a gm is watching?
To [Mugenshi]: he was aware that he would get checked on, its a basic thing that happens after an harrasment petition
To [Mugenshi]: so he was waiting for the right moment until he was sure no gm was keeping track of him to continue his harrasment
To [Mugenshi]: you have seen the chatlogs where he clearly showed the intent to ruin the teams xp
[Mugenshi]: But there's hecklers everywhere in shadowlands.
To [Mugenshi]: you repeated that for the 3th time now
To [Mugenshi]: and for the 3th time i will say it again, why didnt HE kill hecklers somewhere else in shadowlands?
To [Mugenshi]: why did he only killed the hecklers where the other team was
[Mugenshi]: I'll asked you the same question
To [Mugenshi]: we both know that he did it with a bad intent
[Mugenshi]: Why didn't you move?
To [Mugenshi]: cause a kiteteam is existing out of 6 people!, you dont move 6!!!!! people cause 1 person decides to go there and ruin there fun
To [Mugenshi]: the team with 6 people was there FIRST, the other person arrived second
To [Mugenshi]: then i ask you: Why didnt you ask Morphowolf friendly to pick another spot to kill hecklers?
[Mugenshi]: Because you were there first means that section of shadowlands has your name on it/
To [Mugenshi]: i am aware of that, but it also does not mean that it has morphowolf's name on it!
To [Mugenshi]: and at this moment it seems like you are trying to protect Morphowolf in every way possible, trying to keep all the blame away from him
To [Mugenshi]: why do you think an entire team wanted him petitioned for harrasment? its not cause he was acting like an adult accepting the fact that hey got kicked from the team.
To [Mugenshi]: Dont forget that morphowolf was in that particulair team with his ALT, he was well aware of the situation they where in, he was well aware that the team was kiting there, why did he still go to that spot, passing by more then 30 hecklers on the way at least? What made him go to there spot to kill all the hecklers there?
To [Mugenshi]: everything points it out, the chatlogs show clearly that it was to make sure there team would not be able to gain any experience
To [Mugenshi]: moprhowolf knew they where there, he was aware of the entire situation, he could go to every place in shadowlands to kill hecklers (where he does not gain xp for cause of his level), and he only picked out that one location cause he wanted to harras them, ruin there fun, as Means stated: "KILLING SOMEONE ELSE THERE MOBS WITH THE INTEND TO DESTROY THE GAMING EXPERIENCE OF THAT PERSON"
[Mugenshi]: Gaming experience of just standing there and not do nothing?
[Mugenshi]: 6 people can still out damage 1 person.
To [Mugenshi]: That is a mistake you make my friend, Gaming experience is how someone likes to play the game, kiting is a part of the AO Gaming experience, it has been used for years now, its a way to experience the game, just cause you dissaprove that way of levelling, does not mean it is wrong
[Mugenshi]: I don't disapprove of it.
To [Mugenshi]: If you tell me that the entire team of 6 people should move instead of the one person who came by to ruin there team, then i can state that as how you show your dissaproval of people kiting by not taking an unsided decision, you automaticly side then with Moprhowolf, although this person was a member of the kiting team at first.
To [Mugenshi]: Could you explain me why you think, its right that a team containing 6 members, who have been at a spot for several hours, should be forced to move, cause 1 person decides to take revenge after he got booted from that particulair team.
[Mugenshi]: Because it's an open playfield and there is no mob ownership.
[Mugenshi]: In the area you were in.
To [Mugenshi]: so you call it a thing you would do too? you would actually relog your main to keep harrasing the team by taking away every mob they attack until the team goes away
To [Mugenshi]: you say that the person who was mad, should get his "revenge" for getting kicked from the team? you think its a good thing that he takes "revenge" after getting kicked? That everyone should act like him and start killing the mobs his/her previous team was fighting until the team will leave or log out
To [Mugenshi]: and for the 4th time, there is no mob ownership, but there is something called harrasment by killing mobs another group or person is fighting allready with the clear intent to prevent them playing there part in the game.
To [Mugenshi]: means did not say that on the forums for no reason, he said that cause he was aware of the situation with people acting this way
To [Mugenshi]: let me ask you this: What would YOU do if you where in a kiteteam for 3 hours nonstop, gaining xp, and chatting with org mates. And someone decides to kill every mob the nt is fighting? Would you just say, aw what a nice person lets let him have all the mobs and lets go? or would you ask him to stop at first to? and if he didnt stop, i dont think that you would remain calm. You would be mad at him for ruining the XP
[Mugenshi]: I would do as much damage over that person.
To [Mugenshi]: you would not be able to outdamage this person, cause this person is lvl 220 and you are only lvl 150, for every 20 hits you do, this person does one hit
To [Mugenshi]: there is no way to outdamage him, to gain any xp
To [Mugenshi]: what would you do?
To [Mugenshi]: you are aware that the person does not gain any experience from killing the mobs, the person does not come for the loot
[Mugenshi]: But you had 6 people with you.
To [Mugenshi]: so? 6 people at lvl 150 with simple equipement
To [Mugenshi]: are not able to outdamage a lvl 220
To [Mugenshi]: if you want go find 6 average level 150 ish persons, and try to outdamage 1 lvl 220
To [Mugenshi]: you will NOT succeed
To [mugenshi]: and you will definitly not outdamage a lvl 220 ai level 23 adventurer
To [mugenshi]: the fact still stands, he gets no XP from the kill, he does not loot the kill for items, his only intent is making sure the other group gets NO XP, this is stated by Game Director "Means" as a harrasing issue, and is a Bannable Offense.
[Mugenshi]: How would you know if you haven't tried.
To [Mugenshi]: currently we do not have a discussion about oding a 220/23 adventurer, the situation we are currently speaking about is that 1 person had the intend to ruin the gameplay for an entire team out of revenge out of havock. This person only intended to Ruin gameplay, this is equal to harrasment as stated by Means, and should be given a warning for.
[Mugenshi]: But there are many other options that could have been taken to continue your gameplay experience that you didn't choice to take. You simply just waited.
To [Mugenshi]: no, you forget that the options we had where very limited, cause we are speaking about a kiteteam.
[Mugenshi]: Being very limited yes. But you did nothing.
To [Mugenshi]: also it seems like you are picking the side of Morphowolf in every possible way, you only draw the kiteteam as the bad guys at this moment, you refuse to see that this entire issue started cause of Morphowolf, who decided to stalk the team as long as he could with the intent to harras them.
To [Mugenshi]: why would the TEAM have to change, if its not there faulth that someone else is harrasing them, You cant ignore the person, and if you leave the spot as a team, you actually say, that the person harrased them succesfully, he reached his goals. Do you want someone to harras people and just walk away with it. Without any actions taken against him? do you want people to leave ao? then keep that attitude, but you cant make 6 people leave there place cause you accept the fact that 1 person harrases them. You allow the person to harras them with the intent to make the team leave.
To [Mugenshi]: up to this very moment, you keep placing the blame entirely on the team. As far I am aware, the job of a GM is to talk to both sides, and find the right solution for the problem, and making 6 people leave there spot to give the harrasing party your "approval (cause that is what you do when you tell the team of 6 to leave)" you are making a very very big mistake in your job
To [Mugenshi]: its not your job to punish the good side, and congratulate the wrong side.
[Mugenshi]: There is no good or bad side.
[Mugenshi]: To this situation.
[Mugenshi]: There was 2 "parties" in the same area.
[Mugenshi]: Fighting over the same mobs
To [Mugenshi]: so you say: Morphowolf was perfectly allowed to destroy the gaming experience of an entire team cause he was mad?
To [Mugenshi]: you dont realize the part that he did this with the intend to ruin there experience, what is OFFICIALLY HARRASMENT.
To [Mugenshi]: you say that its perfectly fine to do that
To [Mugenshi]: just answer yes or no
[Mugenshi]: There was no proof of his intent to destory your gameplay experience.
To [Mugenshi]: do you say that it is normal do act that way? yes or no?
To [Mugenshi]: the proof was SHOWN in the CHATLOGS
To [Mugenshi]: you have seen these chatlogs
To [Mugenshi]: where he clearly displayed his intents in
[Mugenshi]: Yes I have seen the logs.
To [Mugenshi]: and you have seen what he wrote there? did you read the chatlogs, or did you only "see" them?
[Mugenshi]: Yes i ead them
[Mugenshi]: read *
To [Mugenshi]: Why is it so hard to explain to you, that if someone acts to harras an entire team, its wrong? why cant you understand that this is not allowed, and that this person should not be displayed as the "good guy"
[Mugenshi]: There is no proof of haraasment.
To [Mugenshi]: there has been plenty of proof, an entire team of people who saw the harrasment happen, a 220 adventuren slaying grey mobs, not for there loot, not for there xp, just to make sure the other people dont gain any experience from it.
[Mugenshi]: but there's no proof of harassment.
To [Mugenshi]: what i just wrote in my last sentence, is allready exactly the proof of harrasment stated by means forum post mentioning that exactly what the adventurer did, is stated as an offense
[Mugenshi]: But he was farming.
To [Mugenshi]: farming nothing, he did not loot the items, he did not gain xp from the mobs
To [Mugenshi]: what can you farm if you dont loot items or gain xp?
To [Mugenshi]: please tell me, cause then im going to farm alot of "nothingness" too, so i can run around and kill hecklers all day so no1 can level anymore, i will ask all my 220 friends to help me farm the awesome  "nothingness" they drop. then we can all gear our chars with it!
[Mugenshi]: Some people don't loot thing they don't want.
To [Mugenshi]: could you please write something down for me, so i know i wont get banned for doing what he did
To [Mugenshi]: am i allowed to get a group of 2+ level 220s, and kill all the hecklers we can find in elysium, even the ones teams are fighting, and not loot a single thing, cause they dont drop the item we want?
To [Mugenshi]: am i allowed to do that?
[Mugenshi]: If you want to.
To [Mugenshi]: please say "yes you are allowed to do that"
To [Mugenshi]: all im asking then i know what i can do about  it next time
To [Mugenshi]: then i can tell everyone who petitions me and my 220 friends that we have GM permission to do so
[Mugenshi]: Players have the right to do what wish as long as it doesn't break any rules.
To [Mugenshi]: so i wont break any rules if i do that right? :)
To [Mugenshi]: just let me know it, dont try to anwer around the question , answer it directly please
[Mugenshi]: That all depends.
[Mugenshi]: Is there anything else I can hep you with?
To [Mugenshi]: it does not, as i said, if i decide to farm parts with my friends and we dont find the right quality of monsterparts, are we allowed to kill every mob we see to try and get that part, even if others are fighting them allready
To [Mugenshi]: cause you still did not give me a direct answer on this issue
[Mugenshi]: You are allowed to kill any mobs in any open playfields.
[Mugenshi]: Please have a nice day.
To [Mugenshi]: thank you, you too
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